Interview with Ed #1
Lance
So, let’s go back to when you moved to Albuquerque.
Ed
We moved to Albuquerque in 1957. I had just graduated from high school—literally the day I graduated, we packed up and moved. My mom had a job as the director of nurses at the County Indian Hospital, and my dad was retired.
My mom actually taught my brother and me how to be orderlies. He was 15, and I was 17. It’s kind of crazy when I think about it now—what they let a 17-year-old guy do back then.
On my shift, I was in charge of all the oxygen and delivering the oxygen tanks. It wasn’t like it is now. Back then, the oxygen came in these big tanks, and we had custom carts designed just for hauling them around. The carts had a special strap—you’d secure the tank to the wall and then make sure it was working properly.
The shifts were eight hours long, and that was in addition to everything else I had to do—like giving all the male enemas and doing prep work, including shaving patients. For example, if they were going to operate on someone’s chest, I’d shave off all their chest hair with a double-edged razor. Looking back now, it seems so crude. Honestly, it amazes me that they let a 17-year-old kid get anywhere near patients’ genitals.
I think back on those times, and it just seems so strange. I also worked on and off at the Presbyterian Hospital in Albuquerque. After I got out of the Army, I worked as an orderly in San Francisco at the Kaiser Hospital on Geary Street, which I think is still there. All of this happened between 1957 and 1962. From 1957 to 1960, I was also taking classes at the University of New Mexico.
I first heard about the Alien Autopsies when it was just background noise. People were talking about it, but I wasn’t into UFOs at the time. I wasn’t really researching it or anything like that. I wasn’t disinterested, but I wasn’t keenly focused on it either.
I got married in August to Janelle, my second wife, and we took a trip to Albuquerque to visit my brother. On the drive back, just outside of Reno, we were flipping through radio stations trying to find something to listen to. That’s when we landed on Art Bell’s program, Dreamland.
Art Bell was pretty popular, and he happened to be interviewing this guy I’d never heard of before—Bob Shell. Later on, I’d get to know a lot more about Bob, but at the time, I only knew he was supposedly a film expert. He said he thought the alien autopsy film was real, and that caught my attention.
Not long after, Fox TV aired a big show—one of the largest audiences they’d ever had—called Alien Autopsies: Fact or Fiction. The show was presented in an open-minded way, letting viewers draw their own conclusions. It looked incredibly authentic to me, especially since I knew what hospitals and morgues looked like. That’s when I decided I wanted a copy of the raw tape.
I tracked down the distributor here in the U.S., contacted them, and they sent me a copy. I still have it—it’s on an 8-track tape. When I first watched it, I just couldn’t see how it could be faked. My experience as an orderly has given me a different perspective, and I think it’s shaped how I see the world.
One thing I know for sure is the feel of death. There’s this smell in a morgue—it’s overwhelming and impossible to hide. It’s pervasive, and it’s awful. I can’t even explain it fully, but the alien autopsy gave me that same sense of death.
One of my jobs back then was to gather all the materials used during medical procedures, wrap them up, and take them to central supply. They washed and sterilized everything in these big autoclaves—basically machines that use heat to kill bacteria. Everything got washed, rewrapped, and sterilized before being reused.
From what I’ve seen, medical procedures probably didn’t change much between 1947 and 1957. Hospitals still used oxygen tanks and other older equipment. Watching the alien autopsy, and combining that with my own experience and research, convinced me that it’s the real deal. And if it’s real, I can’t be completely skeptical about aliens anymore.
The one thing I could never wrap my head around, though, is how they could actually get here. We’re so limited by the speed of light.
Doctors who’ve seriously analyzed the alien autopsy have also said they think it’s real. They may not know what the creature is, but it’s clear it’s made of real flesh and blood.
There’s a lot of scattered evidence out there, and I want to collect it all, put it in one place, and tell the full story.
Lance
That sounds great. Let’s pause here.
But before we wrap up, this is Lance Barker, and I’m here with Ed Gehrman. It’s 12:30 on Wednesday, May 29, 2024. We’re recording this as background information on Ed’s research. We’ll post this on his website, where he’ll lay out the case for his viewpoint about the world.
This is recording number one, and we’ll continue with recording number two later.