Interview With Ed #3
Lance
This is Lance Barker and I'm sitting here with Ed Gehrman. This is our third interview and it's 1.25 p.m. on Saturday, September 28th. So we're here to kind of pick up where we left off, right?
Ed
I didn't start writing about UFOs until 1989. I was mildly interested in them, but they weren't my main interest. But I had a friend, he's dead, named Jim Martin, who published a magazine called "Flatland", and in it were reviews of all sorts of books, weird books that most people would never come in contact with. People from all over, sent him books and other interesting things. If he could, he would write a review of them. Sometimes he had as many as 200 reviews of books in "Flatland." The first 15 pages or so were articles that you wouldn't find in the normal news. He chose the content. Someone sent him the book "Crash at Corona," which is the book by Stanton Friedman about his experience researching the Roswell event. I thought he was very persuasive. So I wrote a review. That review appeared in the next issue of "Flatland."
I read material that was hard to find. I would go to used bookstores and look through everything. all of these ideas began to pop up make sense to me -- why people thought the way they did. I didn't know what to think about all of it. I did know, I was almost positive, that they couldn't be from another planet or another solar system. They had to be local. And when you eliminate all the other possible planets, there's really only one planet. Earth. I was very convinced that there was some kind of UFO phenomenon taking place. But I didn't see any way to really prove it. So when the topic came up, I would tell people that I wasn't pushing it or anything, but I was willing to at least take a look at the possibilities.
Lance
So let me just summarize what I've heard you say so far. You came in contact with some material. You were sort of neutral about it. You kept reading it. It became more interesting to you. And then you began thinking about the fact that the physics of our universe are such that beings could not come from a distant galaxy. It would take them so long that it just wouldn't make any sense. It means that they would have had to have left before there was even any civilization here, in order to get here. So the idea is that these beings have been here all along, and that's what you started really honing in on this phenomenon. Is that right?
Ed
Yes. That's the way I had looked at it at that point. It wasn't until 1995 when the alien autopsy comes on the scene that I got involved in a major way.
In 1995 I learned about a guy named Ray Santilli and the cameraman. Some people thought Santilli was a small town hustler. He bought and sold videos and video material. His specialty was buying and selling old film, or film that he could buy the rights to, that other people would use in their productions. At some point a person came up to Santilli with an offer. This person was the cameraman. He told Santilli he had some film that he'd be willing to sell. He would sell it for -- we don't know the exact figure but it was between $150,000 to $200.000. Santelli bought the footage and brought it back to the United States.
Ed
He said he was called in to General McMullen's office and told to go to a location with a group of soldiers and to film everything there. McMullen said it was a Russian spy plane and told him that if the soldiers give him any trouble, tell them to call me. He filmed the site. In addition there are drawings of the site with the creatures lying on the ground. I think the drawings are an accurate rendition because I've been to the site. I've been to the site and it's just the way it's portrayed on these drawings. I think they took them from photographs because they're so accurate and you couldn't do it from memory.
Lance
How do we know that the cameraman filmed the crash site?
Ed
He said he did. He said publicly, that McMullen sent him there to film everything he could and if anybody gave him a rough time, to contact McMullen.
Lance
Did McMullen know there were freakish creatures crawling out of a burning space ship?
Ed
We don't know how much he knew.
Lance
How long did it take between the filming of the crash site and the actual autopsy? Do we know how long that is? Is it a day or two or three or a week?
Ed
Well, we don't know for sure. But the cameraman said that it was July 3rd that he filmed the autopsy.
Lance
Okay, so that brings us to who the cameraman is and why it's important.
Ed
Okay, well the cameraman is unnamed, for now, but important to the story. It's a complicated one that we'll have to discuss later.
Lance
Okay. So, um, do we know what happened to the debris?
Ed
We don't know.
Lance
Ed
In general, they believe in UFOs, they believe people have been abducted, and they think that those UFOs and beings came from outer space. They probably don't believe in the existence of monotremes. They just deal with the problems of physics and the limitations of the properties of light by talking about wormholes and such. They talk about pictures of UFOs that military bombers have taken with their cameras. And those are pretty convincing. But, the UFO community is fragmented. They all have their theories about the UFO phenomena, including the acceptance of an object flying in the sky.
But there's no evidence. There's never been an actual vehicle that has been shown to the public, anywhere. The alien autopsy is the most important piece of evidence and the only thing that matters here. And it's not being discussed. But the question that bothers me is, why? Is it because we would have to acknowledge that we are living and sharing our planet with them. But isn't that just the easiest explanation?
Lance
Okay. All right. Well, we can save the rest of this important conversation for later. Anything else you want to say before closing?
Ed
No. Thanks.
Lance
You're welcome. Okay, so... I'm going to turn the recorder off.
(End of the 3rd interview with Ed)
This is Lance Barker and I'm sitting here with Ed Gehrman. This is our third interview and it's 1.25 p.m. on Saturday, September 28th. So we're here to kind of pick up where we left off, right?
Ed
I didn't start writing about UFOs until 1989. I was mildly interested in them, but they weren't my main interest. But I had a friend, he's dead, named Jim Martin, who published a magazine called "Flatland", and in it were reviews of all sorts of books, weird books that most people would never come in contact with. People from all over, sent him books and other interesting things. If he could, he would write a review of them. Sometimes he had as many as 200 reviews of books in "Flatland." The first 15 pages or so were articles that you wouldn't find in the normal news. He chose the content. Someone sent him the book "Crash at Corona," which is the book by Stanton Friedman about his experience researching the Roswell event. I thought he was very persuasive. So I wrote a review. That review appeared in the next issue of "Flatland."
I read material that was hard to find. I would go to used bookstores and look through everything. all of these ideas began to pop up make sense to me -- why people thought the way they did. I didn't know what to think about all of it. I did know, I was almost positive, that they couldn't be from another planet or another solar system. They had to be local. And when you eliminate all the other possible planets, there's really only one planet. Earth. I was very convinced that there was some kind of UFO phenomenon taking place. But I didn't see any way to really prove it. So when the topic came up, I would tell people that I wasn't pushing it or anything, but I was willing to at least take a look at the possibilities.
Lance
So let me just summarize what I've heard you say so far. You came in contact with some material. You were sort of neutral about it. You kept reading it. It became more interesting to you. And then you began thinking about the fact that the physics of our universe are such that beings could not come from a distant galaxy. It would take them so long that it just wouldn't make any sense. It means that they would have had to have left before there was even any civilization here, in order to get here. So the idea is that these beings have been here all along, and that's what you started really honing in on this phenomenon. Is that right?
Ed
Yes. That's the way I had looked at it at that point. It wasn't until 1995 when the alien autopsy comes on the scene that I got involved in a major way.
In 1995 I learned about a guy named Ray Santilli and the cameraman. Some people thought Santilli was a small town hustler. He bought and sold videos and video material. His specialty was buying and selling old film, or film that he could buy the rights to, that other people would use in their productions. At some point a person came up to Santilli with an offer. This person was the cameraman. He told Santilli he had some film that he'd be willing to sell. He would sell it for -- we don't know the exact figure but it was between $150,000 to $200.000. Santelli bought the footage and brought it back to the United States.
After a May, 1995 showing there were interested buyers. Fox News, bought it. And then they put on a production called Alien Autopsy Factor Fiction. And that showed most of the footage. It was at this time I became really interested. As soon as I saw the footage, I knew that this was not just an ordinary faked footage. This looked like something real. It brought back all the memories of being an orderly at the hospitalIt including the smell and everything.
I became convinced that the Alien Autopsy was real. And then I started thinking, what the hell what does that mean? I'm sure that it doesn't come from another planet. I wondered if there was anything that resembles the Alien in real life? The monotreme meets the qualifications. And so that's why I became convinced the Alien Autopsy was real. And the cameraman was real.
Lance
Right. Okay. So do you have anything else to say about, the cameraman?
Lance
Right. Okay. So do you have anything else to say about, the cameraman?
Ed
In the process of finding out the identity of the cameraman, I came into the possession of an application for a GI home loan. And on the application there was a name. We used that name to figure out who the cameraman was. And I was able to get a death certificate on the cameraman. His dad was a cameraman as well. He was a member of the first Army film crew. For ten years, from 1942 to 1952 he worked for the Army Air Corps as an independent contractor. It was during that 10 years that he filmed the Alien Autopsy. He's the guy. He's the one who talks about the creatures in the quote on our front page.
Lance
Where it says: "From the start, it was plain to see this was no Russian spy plane".
Ed
Right, that's the cameraman speaking.
In the process of finding out the identity of the cameraman, I came into the possession of an application for a GI home loan. And on the application there was a name. We used that name to figure out who the cameraman was. And I was able to get a death certificate on the cameraman. His dad was a cameraman as well. He was a member of the first Army film crew. For ten years, from 1942 to 1952 he worked for the Army Air Corps as an independent contractor. It was during that 10 years that he filmed the Alien Autopsy. He's the guy. He's the one who talks about the creatures in the quote on our front page.
Lance
Where it says: "From the start, it was plain to see this was no Russian spy plane".
Ed
Right, that's the cameraman speaking.
Ed
He said he was called in to General McMullen's office and told to go to a location with a group of soldiers and to film everything there. McMullen said it was a Russian spy plane and told him that if the soldiers give him any trouble, tell them to call me. He filmed the site. In addition there are drawings of the site with the creatures lying on the ground. I think the drawings are an accurate rendition because I've been to the site. I've been to the site and it's just the way it's portrayed on these drawings. I think they took them from photographs because they're so accurate and you couldn't do it from memory.
Lance
How do we know that the cameraman filmed the crash site?
Ed
He said he did. He said publicly, that McMullen sent him there to film everything he could and if anybody gave him a rough time, to contact McMullen.
Lance
Did McMullen know there were freakish creatures crawling out of a burning space ship?
Ed
We don't know how much he knew.
Lance
How long did it take between the filming of the crash site and the actual autopsy? Do we know how long that is? Is it a day or two or three or a week?
Ed
Well, we don't know for sure. But the cameraman said that it was July 3rd that he filmed the autopsy.
Lance
Okay, so that brings us to who the cameraman is and why it's important.
Ed
Okay, well the cameraman is unnamed, for now, but important to the story. It's a complicated one that we'll have to discuss later.
Lance
Okay. So, um, do we know what happened to the debris?
Ed
We don't know.
Lance
Alright, so go ahead and tell me what you're thinking about the UFO community and how this website, Monotreme Nation, fits into the larger UFO community.
Ed
In general, they believe in UFOs, they believe people have been abducted, and they think that those UFOs and beings came from outer space. They probably don't believe in the existence of monotremes. They just deal with the problems of physics and the limitations of the properties of light by talking about wormholes and such. They talk about pictures of UFOs that military bombers have taken with their cameras. And those are pretty convincing. But, the UFO community is fragmented. They all have their theories about the UFO phenomena, including the acceptance of an object flying in the sky.
They are holding on to the notion that there are beings from another world that have come here, continue to come here, etc. They can't really provide any proof. There's no proof of wormholes or anything. They just surmise that it has to be.
But there's no evidence. There's never been an actual vehicle that has been shown to the public, anywhere. The alien autopsy is the most important piece of evidence and the only thing that matters here. And it's not being discussed. But the question that bothers me is, why? Is it because we would have to acknowledge that we are living and sharing our planet with them. But isn't that just the easiest explanation?
Lance
Okay. All right. Well, we can save the rest of this important conversation for later. Anything else you want to say before closing?
Ed
No. Thanks.
Lance
You're welcome. Okay, so... I'm going to turn the recorder off.
(End of the 3rd interview with Ed)